Bowing and curtsying used to be a public display acknowledging one persons submission to another. The deeper the bow the greater the submission. FLR women seem to want this revived. The scores go down when it is done in public by as much as 30%; which says women want the respect shown to them in their private lives or among close company. To me this is hot and useful. Hot because he is down at my feet and useful as it describes our relationship.
Appreciate the posts…. Quite a high number really. Interesting…
Of course do anything to embarrass the guy in front of family and friends or the public. It tightens her control of him. Plus he gets demerits for not bowing low enough. Doesn’t it ever embarrass the woman that she is displaying how badly she treats him? Or what she has turned him into? Anything for her to get their little power trip on, though.
Why are you here, sir? It sounds like the content of this site would serve no purpose but to (further) frustrate and anger you…and yet here you are.
I could look for a parallel in my own experience, but it’s been so long now – 24 years, I believe – since I harbored an unhealthy fear and resentment of women’s innate power that I can no longer remember whether I used to go deliberately wallowing in all that negativity. Maybe I did. But wow, I’m *so* much happier now… =)
She’s not treating him badly though. In a true FLR the subby gets turned on by submitting to his Domme. He feels safe, secure, owned, cherished. He likes to show his submission to her. She she enjoys receiving it. It’s a ying:yang. He enjoys feeling the control and wants her to give it.
I hope that the little matter of responsibility has not been overlooked.There are many laws being enforced on us at present concerning households and there are many infringements which can carry jail time .Since it was always the person in control who suffered the penalties involved I presume that the wife as HOH will step up to the plate bravely and without complaint or blaming the slave It might do some good for those
feminist wives to read a bit of history about the males in prison for what can only be described as unconcensual debt.
Very interesting, but a man in a FLR should bow to their wife/ female leader as a sign of respect. This should include walking behind her in public, keeping quiet while she is talking and taking her last name in marriage. This all strenghtens and increases her confidence and position as the relationship leader.
my Wife would be embarrassed if i bowed or curtsied to Her in public or in front of many of our friends and family. Also it seems unethical because others might feel uncomfortable witnessing us. Just naturally, though, i walk behind her when we’re together in public. When in private, though, i curtsy in many situations such as when She enters a room, or when i respond to Her directions. We decided that curtsying when wearing pants or leggings is kind of dumb so i always wear an apron with enough fullness to allow a proper curtsy 🙂
Besides it’s the subtle things we do that make it exciting. Bowing doesn’t seem natural for us.
My wife has never asked or wanted me to bow to her in front of other people. However, we have duplicated the scene in the picture many times privately, especially when I have made a mistake, but sometimes just because it feels right.
I have a question, i am not a beta male, I am a Alpha male. Does this require a beta male because Me being Sicilian/Italian-Calabrese i never bow to any woman and outside of a professional setting i never follow a woman. Plus i am 64 and set in my ways.
I would never ever bow to any woman. No woman i have ever know was made to bow down to her husband. This really goes against my culture. I also would never walk behind her as even men don’t do this to women in today’s world. As far as keeping quite while she is talking is done anyways as just be polite. My parents would roll over in their grace if I gave up and threw away my family name and my siblings would lose respect for me.
you are in the WRONG place bro.
I have to say that I agree with Lou. To make a public display of servitude seems a little over the top. I think one can be completely servile to one’s wife / partner without making it blatantly obvious that your balls belong to her. If she is dissatisfied with your behaviour then she can easily discipline you later in private. Public humiliation is crossing a line into BDSM and neither of us are into that. 🙂
My slave (transitioning) and I differ on your view but I DO see how valid your view is. In public or in private, that is yours and Her purogative. BUT I feel that it should ultimately be Her choice depending on where the male falls in the s roles.
Lady Liama you are so right! It is, in an FLR relationship, the woman who determines this and to what degree it is done privately or in front of others.
I look forward to reading more from you on this and other issues!
Miss ATT
In private i would curtsey in my maids outfit as her girlfriends all laugh at the chastity device as i raise the hem of my skirt and ask “How may I serve you ,Goddess?”
Our FLR is basically private. My wife would never ask me publicly or privately to bow to her but she does sometimes giggle at me when I curtsy. That is extremely fun fur me. I like to see her having fun with our lives.
I have questions about whether or not this headline accurately represents the broad cross-section of women truly desirous of entering a Female Led Relationship.
Where are the citations?
I want to know when and where was the information gathered. How many women were polled? Was it through this website? Who was the authority? I don’t see a source listed. #dubious
Great question! The stat is from a poll conducted here on AboutFLR from 2013 – 2018.
This site used to have several pages of FLR polls and results until 2018 when the site went offline for over a year. AboutFLR is back under new management and unfortunately a lot of data from the old site was lost. I still have a copy of the poll results page and added an image showing the bow/kneel question results. Unfortunately the results page did not say how many people answered each question, though it does say that 9,380 Women participated in the polls. I plan on posting the old poll data here for everyone to see and am working on a new poll system. Question suggestions for the new polls greatly appreciated.
I agree. The statistics generated by the polls on this web site are hard for me to believe. I suspect that the data is spoiled by men posing as women and answering the questions. Reading the results of some of these polls, one would think that dominant women were more numerous and open about it than what has been true in my own experience and observations.
Wonderful if true and I am proved wrong, but I have my doubts about this and other poll results here.
I think in means 70% want men to bow in private, not in public.
I love this site’s FLR poll data. Please post as much as possible. I’m happy to help if you need it.
AND THIS is why all these articles about “,levels” and the type of relationship not being abusive is a total fucking joke. You all just want someone to humiliate, disrespect, laugh at and completely dominate without any guilt. Malignant narcissists the lot of you.
The point is that since women got married to the Government they have become more and more
outrageous.In normal life the Government have totally emasculated most males and they themselves
are becoming caricatures without any direction.We were told when women picked up the mantle that things would become better for all but,sorry to say,they have made the world a dangerous place.
These FLR’s are just an extension of their hate for men .On the one hand they want to humiliate every male but they still want a strong man to have sex with.The levels of FLRs are set knowing that level 4 is bound to come sooner rather than later.How can a weak man prevent it/It is all about feminists having a laugh in doing what they are told to do but not so good for a man who has been stripped of friends and family who knowing what they know want nothing to do with him.
Poor baby, doesn’t understand.
I suspect that that the whole “militant bra-burning” of once upon a time feminism has now backfired BADLY for female society at large, seeing as it is NOW apparently the case that a mentally ill, bearded, dress wearing MAN has MORE seeming ‘rights’ AS a woman THAN women, and we have now reached the ridiculous, frankly ludicrous position wherein any accurate description of “a woman” might conceivably now be deemed “hate-speech”, or the commission of a “hate-crime”, and that women now are, even at many OFFICIAL levels, to be referred to by such onerous labels as “birthing person”, and even slurred as “breeders” by the trans community, who, with tedious predictability, are NEVER accused of “hate-speech” or “hate-crimes” when THEY speak ill of, and thus disrespect women?!
As a natural thing for Her to demand in the never ending development of a FLR with Her male I see it as a beautiful thing. I personally would do it as a sign of my submission to be seen by everyone just would connect me even deeper to Her.
I think this would be a nice gesture and a good way to demonstrate our respect and a reminder of our roles and positions. There are other accepted traditions like this such as when men meet and the lower rank will offer his hand first for a handshake or when several men approach a doorway some will defer and let the dominant go first, or an underling will open and hold a door for his boss and only go after his superior. This photo is similar to the traditional catholic custom when priests greet higher authorities, bishops or the pope. And in D/s relationships and kink play it’s common for the sub to kneel when first presenting to someone in a dominant role. Any well mannered gentlemen will hold a door for a woman, hold an umbrella for her, pull out a chair in a restaurant and seat her before sitting down. So these types of behavior are not really that uncommon.
I see that the bowing in Japanese culture is not just a greeting but has also been a show of apology, gratitude, respect and a show of submission. So sounds very appropriate for men to offer this gesture to women today in our culture. Maybe this could become a popular trend for men who wish to show their support for women’s rights and feminism, sounds odd now but so did the hand slap greeting before or masculine men having long hair before the 60’s. It’s only unusual, until it’s not.
In a FLR I think it would be a sweet and useful practice to meet the woman with something like this, down on one knee and kissing her hand in greeting, or a deep bow at the waist. In more private settings kneeling and kissing the woman’s feet or ankle might be a nice show of respect and deference to her superior role. The bible was full of mentions of greeting someone by washing their feet, I remember as a kid being turned on when they would read that in a gospel.
But I don’t think any of this is that unusual or without precedent.
I agree that some sign of deference or devotion is lovely. But I do not believe for one minute that the data would truly reveal what it is inferring.
For me, public devotion is shown by a kiss on my cheek, approaching to stand with his torso resting against my right or left elbow.
It truly is the DEVOTION that should be visible. Not emasculation. I agree that foot touching or bowing are lovely for appropriate and enculturated symbols of respect but between us two, this should be a private acknowledgment. Okay… unless we’re in a venue where your obedience and charms can be shown off to a sympathetic crowd…like a venue where collars are typically displayed.
The point is that you would do whatever I ask and that I trust in this. Your devotion would ensure you would be ready to bow if I asked. If we were well attuned I would never doubt it.
These comments are fascinating.
Bowing seems like an empty gesture unless it’s backed up with other behaviours like cooking and cleaning. After being married for a while I’m in tune with what my wife wants and know to be ready.
I can see Your point, the intimacy in being close, that She can feel my attention and devotion, You described thatvery beautyful – thank You 🙂
Bow, submit & obey… I wish a woman would make me do this anytime, anywhere…
A wife to her husband is very much not the same things as a man to his female master. The wifes place is as a partner in the together created life and family the marriage creates it is her marriage as mu h as his and she owned him as he does her it is an equal partnership and so for one side to be submissive to the other is out of line with the agreement. FLR are not equal we do not see ourselves equal to women generally and certainly not to our specific one. We belong to them regardless of if the choose to give of themselves to us or not. My desire to serve my woman to worship and serve her to submit to her as her property with witch she is free to use how she wishes for one reason her desire. Because that place is my privilege to hold but doesn’t in anyway make me her equal. That is why i am willing to do what she says and when and how, regardless of who is watching or my being embarrassed by it. That has nothing to do with why i am in her life why she allows me to serve her. Because it is only for me about her and a marriage is not that at all. I will treat ant and every woman i am connected to like his. If we are sexual playmates or in some form of relationship i am almost without restrictions in what i would do to continue to earn my place with her. This is in part why women should be free to sleep with other men always to remind a over secure man how easily he is replaced. If men could do that as we have for many generations using patriarchy and social manipulation we would and did abuse it at times and enjoyed it at others but it was always implied they needed us but we didn’t them. The truth is the opposite. Woman can have most men the want just by asking, if you have issue with this truth test it yourself and walk up to the random woman you see and ask her if you can go down on her or just show her your breasts. Ether way let me know what happened when you get out of jail. No imagine any woman did the same to you. Because you would go to jail and she would at worst be told he was committed there is your proof of superiority of opinion and there fore in a relationship that is honest and true the woman 100% runs the show. We here just embrace and celebrate that truth to the utmost. My question to all of you men adverse to it. How is it even possible for you to still be ego driven at your age? My ego was laid to rest by 25 and forgotten by 30. I am still far more man than most in comparison but to achieve manhood at all requires death of one’s ego to achieve the selflessness of manhood. The underlying truth and distinction of a man to a grown boy. Maybe there is the issue. Men dont listen to the ego boys do. So a man doesn’t see diminishment in selflessness services to others not ever, to a man it is a privilege and honor to do so. So bowing is not even a thing registering on my radar as a matter of concern if it pleases my lady its done she has the option i most value and i would put in check any man with jokes or disrespect to me or her. A boy by contrast has a sense of self that is dependent on the opinion of others. He would never bow because he sees this as diminishing himself to benefit her. He lacks the wisdom and strength of character to have value known to him in his self without public approval. The world could hate me and it would bot effect me in the least, i am not fond of most of them either. I still would do me as i am now. Because i am a man not a grown ass boy. Perhaps young man when you too achieve manhood yourself you will understand what you don’t now. Lastly a man cant make a woman fully achieve a full orgasm until he lays to rest the ego or he can not give enough to her to set her free to achieve fully. That is biology. Age is irrelevant in the achievement of manhood. Mine came after experiencing combat for the first time just before i joined the Army at 17. After being shot now twice i can tell you with absolute certainty in many ways our lives as males doesn’t start in many ways until the ego is laid to rest. It is worth doing so, maybe focusing on you and not looking for your indifference to others would result in more desired results. Start with the boy in the mirror, and you will be surprised at how effective it is to connective and life quality of us all. Let he without sin cast the first stone, right? I guess we can all listen but only some of us can hear.
My vanilla wife would find this to be very weird. She doesn’t want me to bow, kiss her feet, kiss her ass. Wish she did. She does want me to obey
I would have no problem bowing in private to show my respect and appreciation to a dominant wife who loves me. However, it is not something that I would volunteer it is however something that would be very powerful to me if is commanded.
I know my place with my wife,I respect her, bow her, kneel her and obey her every command every day.
My previous Queen felt that such overtly (as She put it-) “fawning” displays in public were embarrassing, and that a more “fitting” display of deferential decorum were observed through my always walking behind her a couple of steps, and upon reaching doorways, that She would then STOP, and I would of course open, and hold the door for Her. She felt that there was little recognisable personal eminence in owning such a visibly servile “maggot”, and that the “glory” lay in having domesticated an originally churlish, stubborn, more originally “masculine” subject. She had “signal” prompts, where by- at a dinner party for example, She would introduce a topic of discussion, and if & when my conversational input & opinion was desired, She would say-“What do YOU think, darling?”. I suppose the essential point is that She felt it embarrassing, and somewhat beneath Her to have a man of such apparent, obvious, stuttering sycophancy that he might be any loser “worm”, or “charity-case”, scooped up from some BDSM contact app, and that the demonstration OF her dominant superiority lay in having “broken”, and “house-trained” a once typically selfish, boorish, “alpha-male” to HER exacting standards, and that public displays of the most apparent, wretched servility and sycophancy accomplished nothing in bolstering Her mastery, & would serve only to embarrass both parties. I agreed wholeheartedly (but then, I WOULD, wouldn’t I?).